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Posted By: Clarke McKenzie
Posted On: Friday December 1, 2006 at 8:02 AM
 
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Did you know this about cars, in general, and, Toyotas
in particular? In a consumer magazine, it was stated that the Toyota Camry was built to the highest car industry standards available today. That meant, as explained, tolerances of build were as close as the industry can presently get. The build parameters match or beat any vehicle on the road, more, or, less expensive. I'd say, maybe, that's why the customers not only come, but, more importantly, stay. Buy a Camry...step up to a Lexus...only difference in the cars-options, model choices, and, prestige!

I heard such statements, too, in regard to watches. I still have a 27 yr. old Seiko watch that uses all of one battery about every 4 years. The reason, I'm told, is that it's internal make-up is so friction-free that it doesn't need much power to run it. The jeweller also saisd that, generally, any watch valued more than about $100.00 should be able to have state-of the-art mechanisms as good as a most expensive watch. The more expensive watch may have better materials/jewels, more exclusivity, but, that's the deal.
So, it comes down to affordability, and, personal choice, once a particular standard is reached, no matter what the product, until a new " industry " break-through " occurs.

Personally, I believe European, and N.A. cars have different set-ups, that cause one consumer to make a choice. Quality, defined by one person differs from another. For example, one person may like a more taut, sport-type ride/suspension set-up..that's stil the " Euro " way, even if the NA guys have tightened up. Even driving a Golf will show this set-up difference, when compared tp a Corolla, or, a Cobalt.
IMO, too, the Cobalt's a good example of what the problem is with the NA car business. This car could have been, for a few more bucks per car, a great car, instead of a car that was better than the Cavalier. It should, at minimal, have been set up to be better than any small Japanese car in its' class, before it went out the door. IMO, this standard was not met. Thus, if a buyer happens upon a Japanese car, during the period of Cobalt ownership, I wonder if he/she will be a repeat G.M. buyer? Chances are, he/she won't. What a shame, I say...another chance missed. Just MO, of course!!!

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Do you guys take faith in the views of Car&Driver, Motor by Clarke McKenzie #18285
Car and Driver Mag always selects the BMW or Porche, no matter what the TEST results are ! by Steve O'Neill #18285.1
Consider that both the Porsche and BMW lines ARE what they are - superior product lines. by Bob Arthur #18285.1.1
The Mustang is my favorite american car. by Martin Soriano #18285.1.1.1
Build more cars like the 'Vette, and, the Mustang, and Japan won't be a factor by Clarke McKenzie #18285.1.1.1.1
Road & Track has always been more objective by Fred Kern #18285.2
I read them, mostly Motor Trend, and usually they get my blood pressure up with stupid by Steve Kiraly #18285.3
Let me add that I place more trust in Motorweek on PBS or the Speed Channels. (EOM) by Steve Kiraly #18285.3.1
Good car = good value by Fred Kern #18285.3.2
Fred, with all due respect , the 128 is in a class by itself, a $128,000 class I might add. Obviousy by Steve Kiraly #18285.3.2.1
What would you rather have? by Fred Kern #18285.3.2.1.1
Again, with all due respect to your preferences, but- most Americansdon't want a stick shift( I like by Steve Kiraly #18285.3.2.1.1.1
It's what you perceive as "value" by Fred Kern #18285.3.2.1.1.1.1
Actually, Lincoln car sales were up, due to the Zephyr. (EOM) by Steve Kiraly #18285.3.2.1.1.1.1.1
BMW by Leon Thorsell #18285.3.2.2
Although I get Car & Driver and Motor Trend . . . by Norm Waggoner #18285.4
Beware! In '71 Consumer Reports recommended the Vega ! (EOM) by Steve Kiraly #18285.4.1
GM has a strange tendency to introduce vehicles that by Leon Thorsell #18285.4.1.1
Leon, I agree with that one. The last G.M. product I owned, by Clarke McKenzie #18285.4.1.1.1
Did you know this about cars, in general, and, Toyotas by Clarke McKenzie #18285.4.2
Clarke, why is Toyota now leading with largest number of recalls? (EOM) by Steve Kiraly #18285.4.2.1
Because they're selling the most cars, and, demand is by Clarke McKenzie #18285.4.2.1.1
I think three Toyota executives were arrested in Japan for hiding significant safety defects in by Steve Kiraly #18285.4.2.1.1.1
Steve, because the company's by Clarke McKenzie #18285.4.2.1.1.1.1
Final question to you, Steve. How do you buy a Ford product by Clarke McKenzie #18285.4.2.1.1.1.1.1
Clarke, I never worry about trade-in value-I buy what I like.And I only worry about a company's by Steve Kiraly #18285.4.2.1.1.1.1.1.1
I agree Steve, I never buy anything considering by Leon Thorsell #18285.4.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1
Sell that German car, Steve! Every, and, I mean, every by Clarke McKenzie #18285.4.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2
Wrong by Fred Kern #18285.4.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1
By the way by Fred Kern #18285.4.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.1
Correct, my son's Z3 is US built, but built to BMW's by Leon Thorsell #18285.4.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2
Just testing you guys, as I thought there may be a by Clarke McKenzie #18285.4.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2.1
And that is happening, Clarke. Chevrolet will be redesigning the new Saturn Aura as the by Tom Joyce #18285.4.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.1
Your Malibu friend must be the ex-Impala friend......LOL (EOM) by Jerry Gorsuch #18285.4.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1
One and the same. And he is on a one man campaign to destroy GM's reputation. (EOM) by Tom Joyce #18285.4.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1
In the end, it just comes down to word of mouth... by John Luthi #18285.4.2.2
John, again, I agree; your post went up as mine was being produced. by Clarke McKenzie #18285.4.2.2.1
I agree John. I have a friend who has spent four years fighting with GM over a maddeningly by Tom Joyce #18285.4.2.2.2
First & Favorite by David Hosea #18285.4.3
NO by Robert Kroupa #18285.5
I used to read them but got sick and tired of 6.4 sec vs 6.2 sec syndrome.... by Jerry Gorsuch #18285.6
Good points, Jerry, I would prefer a well built by Roger Pratt #18285.6.1




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