Posted By:	Mike DeTorrice
Posted On:	Monday March 5, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Message: Yes, overall the Leaf is a flop, too.

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GM/Chevrolet will halt Volt production line for by Mike DeTorrice #41596

GM does it again. From the Corvair to the Vega to the Saturn to the Volt. If it ain't a rear wheel.. by Gene Herman #41596.1

I forgot the EV1. (EOM) by Gene Herman #41596.1.1

Vega was rear wheel drive. (EOM) by George Bojaciuk #41596.1.2

Sure was, George, but GM never put a V8 in one. They left that for some crazy hot rodders to do!.... by Gene Herman #41596.1.2.1

Guilty as charged! by George Bojaciuk #41596.1.2.1.1

I bet it was, George! I've got nothing against four bangers. I drive one every day. Just seems GM... by Gene Herman #41596.1.2.1.1.1

You are correct.. by George Bojaciuk #41596.1.2.1.1.1.1

Agree, PULL the Plug.. There are many other hybrids that are much better.... by Jerry Gorsuch #41596.2

Amen, Jerry. Trouble is, I actually LIKE the idea behind the Volt more than the hybrids. Seems...... by Gene Herman #41596.2.1

Gene, so do I. I seriously considered buying a Volt. Maybe that's the problem. by Marlowe Johnson #41596.2.1.1

If the car has a gas motor, whether it runs a generator or.... by Jerry Gorsuch #41596.2.1.2

And the answer is..... by Gene Herman #41596.2.1.2.1

Basically, it's the same concept as a Diesel Locomotive. The by Bill Flynn #41596.2.1.2.2

American's are larger people & they don't want Little Dinky Cars. Dinky Toys well maybe? by David Hosea #41596.3

I think that a lot of people, like myself, want and need a small car. Small cars like the Honda Fit by Tom Joyce #41596.3.1

Tom, Where does one put a family if 5 or more? they need larger cars, I have smaller cars now. (EOM) by David Hosea #41596.3.1.1

Six, that's why I have a T&C Van, 4 yrs old & less than 25K miles... (EOM) by Jerry Gorsuch #41596.3.1.1.1

And my Mazda Protege is 12 years old, with less than 100K. If it ever dies I'll most likely by Tom Joyce #41596.3.1.1.1.1

More Proof Mazda builds great products, We loved our 05 - Mazda6 (EOM) by David Hosea #41596.3.1.1.1.1.1

But that's my point. I don't have a wife or five kids, and I live in the city, so why by Tom Joyce #41596.3.1.1.2

Tom I agree you just said it better than I. If there were a larger option than a Prius then I might (EOM) by David Hosea #41596.3.1.1.2.1

I really disagree that the Volt is a flop! I think it's a technological by Brian Laurance #41596.4

Brian it's basically what we know as a Diesel Train Locomotive. They generate power to run the Elect by David Hosea #41596.4.1

I agree the car in itself isnt a FLOP ! by Phil Realmuto #41596.4.2

And, yet, even though it outsells the Nissan Leaf, no one calls by Brian Laurance #41596.4.2.1

Yes, overall the Leaf is a flop, too. (EOM) by Mike DeTorrice #41596.4.2.1.1

I'd just love to know how they arrived at the price for this thing... by Robert Jacobs #41596.5

ROBERT YOU NAILED IT! IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THE AVERAGE CAR BUYER. (EOM) by Ken Allen #41596.5.1

Thanks, Ken... by Robert Jacobs #41596.5.1.1

I think they are discovering the limitations that make a plug in electric car impractical for by Tom Joyce #41596.6

Tom, I truly think your misunderstanding of the Volt technology is one of its major problems. by Marlowe Johnson #41596.6.1

I know it works on both and still wouldnt consider it by Phil Realmuto #41596.6.1.1

That would save you about $2500/yr on gas. You could buy 18 or 19 diecast with the saved money! (EOM) by Marlowe Johnson #41596.6.1.1.1

hahah TRUE! ANother myth about the Volt..... by Phil Realmuto #41596.6.1.1.1.1

I'd called it a misconception as opposed to a myth. But that misconception... by Marlowe Johnson #41596.6.1.1.1.1.1

It's also NOT a Hybrid and GM product team I heard ..... by Phil Realmuto #41596.6.1.1.1.1.1.1

It doesn't help that GM, and the auto media, refer to this capabilty as 'limp home mode'. This by Tom Joyce #41596.6.1.1.1.1.2

Correct The Engine starts up making electricity for the dead batteries thus Limp Home. (EOM) by David Hosea #41596.6.1.1.1.1.2.1

But the advertising certainly implies that the gas engine powers the car in the conventional way. Oh by Tom Joyce #41596.6.1.1.1.1.2.1.1

Obviously it's Not Working the advertising cause they are shutting down for 5 weeks. (EOM) by David Hosea #41596.6.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1

The best advertising line can't get someone past the economics. (EOM) by Tom Joyce #41596.6.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1.1

I respectfully disagree, Marlowe. If you NEVER had to plug the Volt in, it would not by Tom Joyce #41596.6.1.2

Tom, you're a respectful guy but this isn't about agreeing or disagreeing. Indeed, it is about... by Marlowe Johnson #41596.6.1.2.1

I disagree with you about never plugging in the Volt to charge the batteries..... by Jerry Gorsuch #41596.6.1.2.1.1

The gas engine begins charging the batteries when the charge is reduced to a specified level... by Marlowe Johnson #41596.6.1.2.1.1.1

That's my point, jerry. Some day, under some conditions, it will need to be plugged in. (EOM) by Tom Joyce #41596.6.1.2.1.1.2

One can use it as a Plug & Play or as a (for the most part a) regular car, skipping a charge on. by David Hosea #41596.6.1.2.1.1.2.1

Exactly. Since I have no abilty to plug it in, I can't own one as long as I live here. And with my by Tom Joyce #41596.6.1.2.1.1.2.1.1

I said this from the beginning about the Volt! by Phil Realmuto #41596.7

Phil, you're only on gas power until the battery has enough charge to take over again. by Marlowe Johnson #41596.7.1

I know all this Marlowe. I wonder what the actually cost of GAS would be if say by Phil Realmuto #41596.7.1.1

It has a 9 gallon fuel tank and provides almost 500 miles of range... by Marlowe Johnson #41596.7.1.1.1

Same trip (800miles) with my Mark VIII would cost about $160 based on the $4.50 / gallon example by Phil Realmuto #41596.7.1.1.1.1

Marlowe if I figured correctly considering the distance and fuel used by Phil Realmuto #41596.7.1.1.1.2

Phil, it appears the range is hard to nail down because the circumstances greatly dictate... by Marlowe Johnson #41596.7.1.1.1.2.1

Hear, hear, and Tesla is doing that very same thing right now.... (EOM) by Jerry Gorsuch #41596.7.2

Whats more amazing/IDIOTIC is that ...... by Phil Realmuto #41596.8

What I find ironic is no one has addressed the cost of energy by Randy Charles #41596.9

Randy, the Volt is about $1.50 per full charge. (EOM) by Marlowe Johnson #41596.9.1

I just did an initial cost vs. fuel cost to operate my Toaster by Jerry Gorsuch #41596.10

Except you haven't factored in the $7500 rebate too. But beyond that, and using Phil as... by Marlowe Johnson #41596.10.1

Just an FYI...the plug in station is $8K...does not include install. by George Bojaciuk #41596.10.1.1

LOL, but I think that number is a slight exaggeration! Here's a link... by Marlowe Johnson #41596.10.1.1.1

My parts guy lied! (EOM) by George Bojaciuk #41596.10.1.1.1.1

The rebate IS a NON-FACTOR. That could go away with one swipe of a pen.....AND .... by Jerry Gorsuch #41596.10.1.2

Marlowe, go back and reread my initial comparo to 190K miles.... by Jerry Gorsuch #41596.10.1.3

You don't need a charging station and the cost is approximately $1.50 for a full charge. by Marlowe Johnson #41596.10.1.3.1

With ALL the additional costs aside (charging station, electric rates, ... by Jerry Gorsuch #41596.10.1.3.1.1

Also, just to be clear, I'm not saying the Volt is cost efficient. by Marlowe Johnson #41596.10.1.3.2

Agree, and there are many people that do not understand what the VOLT is.... by Jerry Gorsuch #41596.10.1.3.2.1

Marlowe at the start you were Misinformed about the Volt. I had to explain it to you, Now yes you by David Hosea #41596.10.1.3.2.2

Jerry they think(?) battery life is 10 years so you have to include replacement cost $2,500-4-Prius. (EOM) by David Hosea #41596.10.1.3.3

SEE? It keeps gettin' worse and worse...... I might have to replace the .... by Jerry Gorsuch #41596.10.1.3.3.1

And many won't do it. Would you do a $2500 repair to a 10 year old car? Many might by Tom Joyce #41596.10.1.3.3.2

Not You Jerry, Not You - the dead thing! LOL shoot we all will be (EOM) by David Hosea #41596.10.2

This all boils down to "return on investment". If it will take me 20-25 years to break even..... by Jerry Gorsuch #41596.11

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