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Posted By: John Roberts
Posted On: Saturday February 9, 2019 at 4:33 PM
 
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This thread of Paul's has been very interesting and throws up a few issues....
There is, and always has been, a disparity in the sizing of models/perception of scale. Way back in the '60s Matchbox added width to their models to make them look more accurate. In the early days of white metal many models were made with the flimsiest of information and master makers like Ian Pickering, Pete Kenna and others were often given very little information to work with. Ian told me this once but I won't say which manufacturer he was referring to! Suffice it to say the models were expensive and have not been referred to in this thread.
When collectors who are not model makers say they've measured a model and the scale is wrong, what information are they using? Have they looked up the information in a book? Have they measured the real vehicle?
Having measured many real cars with Nigel at Brooklin I can say that it takes hours to do the job properly along with dozens of photos. All this information is then passed to a pattern maker. Not only does the actual car measured have to be checked but other examples, period photographs, etc. are checked to make sure nothing has been added or altered. The resultant master may be still changed after this.
Every model will be subject to a degree of interpretation on the part of the model maker and the person who has commissioned the model.
Scale will always be an issue taken in isolation. Most makers these days use CAD systems so accuracy should be a given...but it isn't always
In short, building model cars is damn difficult! Collecting them and criticising are the easy bits, not that opinions shouldn't be expressed, especially from knowledgeable folk that read these forums.
I always think as collectors we are very lucky that so many mad souls still want to spend vast amounts of money, time, sweat and tears with very little financial reward to bring such a wide variety of models to a diminishing market.

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scale? by Paul Patterson #25325
Footprint of each car can and most likely is 1:43 of a 1:1 Cars based on wheel distance by Tom Ciryak #25325.1
Scale by Paul Patterson #25325.1.1
Scale of models by Raymond Paszkiewicz #25325.1.1.1
Scale by Paul Patterson #25325.1.1.1.1
Sorry Tom but I don't understand your reply. Scale is scale, period. No? (EOM) by Barry Levittan #25325.1.2
Yes I agree, scale is scale and it still amazes me that there is so much by Curtis Parisi #25325.1.2.1
Guess I didn't explain myself very well. Ford's wheelbase may not be the same as a Chevy etc. (EOM) by Tom Ciryak #25325.1.2.2
Specs: Jaguar MK 9, 1953 Ford by John Quilter #25325.2
Its funny, Paul, your photo appears to show quite a discrepancy between the Fords by Randall Olson #25325.3
Paul you bring up a good point. Case in point would be a comparison by Bob Jackman #25325.3.1
Scale by Paul Patterson #25325.3.1.1
To an extent I agree with you Paul. Some of the earlier ones.. by John Roberts #25325.3.1.1.1
Scale by Paul Patterson #25325.3.1.1.1.1
Bob, excellent comparisons. The Motor City is huge, especially the width by Randall Olson #25325.3.1.2
I would like to call your attention to a mistake you just made: by Alex Taylor #25325.3.1.2.1
Hi, Alex, I will defer to your expertise. "Super" it is! (EOM) by Randall Olson #25325.3.1.2.1.1
Randal, for further information, Conquest did make, years ago by Alex Taylor #25325.3.1.2.1.1.1
Scale by Paul Patterson #25325.3.2
Paul, I hope some of your gems are of the Highway Travelers variety? Gorgeous replicas! (EOM) by Randall Olson #25325.3.2.1
Scale by Paul Patterson #25325.3.2.1.1
What does wheel base have to do with scale if body measurements aren't correct? (EOM) by Bob Kleven #25325.3.2.2
Nothing in the case of a 3D product - wheel base is just one part in a whole range of measurements. (EOM) by Chris Sweetman #25325.3.2.2.1
This discussion reminds me of the ones we had when Strictly 43rd by Don Anderson #25325.4
Scale by Paul Patterson #25325.4.1
This thread of Paul's has been very interesting and throws up a few issues.... by John Roberts #25325.4.1.1
Too bad an honest discussion sets off such defensiveness. I have thousands of by Bob Jackman #25325.4.1.1.1
I wasn't being defensive Bob, merely offering some background... by John Roberts #25325.4.1.1.1.1
John, I always respect your opinions based on your obvious by Bob Jackman #25325.4.1.1.1.1.1
Agree with all you say Bob. 6000 models? That's even more than I've wrecked! (EOM) by John Roberts #25325.4.1.1.1.1.1.1
Scale by Paul Patterson #25325.4.1.1.2
Sacale of models. by Raymond Paszkiewicz #25325.4.1.1.2.1
Paul, you started a wonderfully provocative and informative thread. by Randall Olson #25325.4.1.1.2.1.1
Future by Paul Patterson #25325.4.1.1.2.1.1.1
Ian Pickering also did some masters for Corgi Toys. (EOM) by Chris Sweetman #25325.5




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